Can you explain a little bit about the sound healing ceremony you held at Chickasaw?
In the context of that kind of event, I set up Tibetan bowls, steel drum, gong, and other instruments…and I am using my music as a sacred intention setting prayer for mother earth and the land and the people in the room and the sacred space I’m in. Basically, I use music as a prayer.
What is your interest in the Contact in the Desert UFO Conference?
I have been interested in star people and space travel and all of that kind of stuff for many, many years. I tend to think its all real because of some of the memories I have of past lives. I noticed when I played one of the first Tibetan bowls I ever purchased 12 or 13 years ago that the sound of the bowl reminded me of the sound of the engines in the starships because that’s how we moved them, we moved them with sound. So, for me the music has a strong connection to the stars…
How is the Contact community relevant in today’s world?
The community often calls itself the disclosure community, and the fact of extra terrestrials and extra terrestrial interaction with the humans has been kept secret by most governments on this planet for years. Disclosure according to all these people goes way beyond just ‘ooh there’s an extra terrestrial and there are star ships and they’re real.’ It goes into everything from free energy and Tesla’s work and what’s running the world and why, and our anthropological history and our religious history and sort of the whole storyline that we have been taught. And I’m a cultural anthropologist and I remember all these years of people thinking ‘somewhere out there, there’s a missing link’, which actually isn’t true… It’s a body of psychic and scientific work that wants the truth… about who we are and why we’re here. Most of the work that I do shamanically speaking and in the quantum physics world is in that same arena. And so somehow I stumbled on these people and they’re interesting. I go in with an ability to listen for the patterns and listen for where they get hung up on their own prejudices of whatever they believe in, and just see if I can discern what feels real for me.
Shaman is a word that’s being thrown around a lot these days… What does the word shaman mean to you and what is the practice for you?
My introduction to it was 35 years ago when I discovered and resonated with and wanted to study more about the native, indigenous perspective of life on this planet. I was always taught that whatever continent you live on, whatever part of mother earth you live on, you study the practices of those people because their practices are based on the location. So this continent is Turtle Island. That really isn’t talked about much any more. I was in TX, I was in the Austin area, and so I put it out there that I wanted a teacher who was Native American. Of course about a week later, one walked in.... The teachings that I’ve received over the years, this woman was Cherokee and German and she taught Navajo and some Pueblo and then I had a Comanche teacher… But my main teacher was Lakota and he’s now on the other side of the veil... As an anthropologist, I’m always looking at the big picture and the patterns, and the shamanic viewpoint of life is a circular viewpoint as opposed to a linear viewpoint like our Western background... Shamanism is about cycles, circles and cycles, and patterns and repeating events and getting deeper lessons in each one. So for me for the first time on this planet it made sense, once I learned that paradigm. My practices, because I’m not Native American, I’m white. My shamanic roots go back to Viking and Celtic, so they’re very European. And the bowls that I play are from a Himalayan shaman tradition… And then the studies that I did were on this continent because I live here. For me this way makes more sense than the western way that I was brought up, and so I live it. It’s not so much that I have to learn it; I live it. It’s all based on the medicine wheel and the sacred spiral. It makes heart sense to me to live like this.
What is the medicine wheel? What does it do and how did we activate it at Chickasaw?
The medicine wheel is also called a mandala in other cultures, a sacred circle. The teachings that I got on the concept of medicine wheel were that back in the old days before all the technology, we would walk out the door at dawn and look around and look at the sun and notice where it comes up every day. That (the east) is the direction of the new beginning and as the day goes on it moves more towards the south and that’s the direction of taking action, and when the night would come along the sun sets over in that direction (west) and then we go to sleep and dream (north) and then it starts again. So it’s a very simple way of looking at reality as a cycle. I don’t know what or when it happened that someone decided life wasn’t a cycle. The wheel and the circles are just a way of describing reality the way people saw it… The wheel that I taught you and the wheel that we put on your land is based on my Lakota teachings, and all different traditions have different medicine wheels so there is no one right way to do it. So don’t get hung up on form which is also a Buddhist teaching… So we set a traditional Lakota wheel. A lot of the information that I get is from my star counsel and they’ve told me that shamanism is the closest thing on this planet to the expanded star knowledge that I came in with which is why I study it... So setting a sacred circle on the perimeter of someone’s house or land is a way to put that ceremonial space around everything that you’re responsible for stewarding. So it adds an element of protection and sanctuary and touchstones that you can reactivate at any time. I’ve been guided to do that for the last 25 years; wherever I live I set a wheel.
What was your experience of Joshua Tree and what do you see as the medicine of this landscape?
I discovered Joshua Tree as an adult living in Idyllwild, but my family used to motorcycle ride and go camping in the Borrego Springs desert area when I was a kid… The desert for me holds a pristine beauty because things really have to work hard to grow there. The thing that I enjoy the most about being on mother earth when I’m in the desert is the subtlety of the beauty and then you get the sky going with some of those crazy sunsets, and it becomes way less subtle. It’s just magnificent. So there’s the smell and the subtle changes in colors when you look at the landscape and the living beings that have to be able to handle the heat to survive there. It holds a different kind of beauty, a stark kind of beauty that I enjoy. And that sacred space that you’re in has a lot of it, its just gorgeous.
The ceremony that we had at Chickasaw for me was the beginning of building community around Chickasaw, so can you speak some to how you do that with music?
I’ve been playing music traveling to play for groups for 12 or 13 years. The way I look at it in a metaphorical way, every time I play a concert as a prayer, as an intention, I’m always setting medicine wheels. So it’s a joining of sacred circles around all the different areas that I travel and work. It’s a connection; it’s a going beyond the illusion of separation to have us connect for whatever length of time we’re in the same space together. Every time I play music or play another sacred circle here at the sound temple, I’m reactivating all the different circles I’ve ever played. So I’m infusing whoever was there with another offering of sacred prayer and sacred music. It’s how I broadcast music as prayer and change the frequency. In having one event in your sacred space, every concert or ceremony I’ve ever had is being infused into your sacred space and activating it. It’s creating collaborative consciousness.
Would you talk about in a larger sense how collaborative consciousness is important in the state of the world we’re living in now?
The morphic field and the quantum field… This is heart math and shamanic technology… as is every energy frequency we broadcast into the world. Like when you’re having a bad day driving on the I-5 and somebody cuts you off and you flip them off, you’re putting an energy of anger and dishonor. And I’ve been taught in my spiritual studies to be responsible for what I put out into the field… there is this awareness that if I’m gonna spew out my grumpiness into the world then I’m actually part of the problem. So the work that I do (and I don’t pretend that I don’t have really crappy days because I do), it’s a choice on a daily basis for me. Am I going to be part of the solution or am I going to be part of the problem? I remember a conference I went to in 2012 where someone asked Marianne Williamson “How come if we’re gathering in these sacred circles of collaborative consciousness, how come the only thing we hear about is all the bad stuff, all the divisive stuff. And her answer to that was that love is much quieter than hate. And we have to get louder with the love. It was beautiful. My commitment in all of this is, regardless of all my personal human snarky stuff, is to be part of the sacred frequency of intentional prayer because that’s how we create reality. And if we’re unconscious and we’re asleep and we’re not paying attention to what we’re spewing into the field, we’re still creating reality. And that contributes to the divisiveness that we have going on right now. According to all predictions I’ve ever seen and all the journeys I’ve ever done, we are exactly where we’re supposed to be. It was supposed to get like this. My commitment is to hold a prayer of peace and beauty and broadcast that through music or anything else that I do…
One of the things I am challenged with around the new age movement is the focus on only “love and light.” We all hold dark and light. I am a shadow worker. If we do not acknowledge the dark it tends to run us from the shadows. My Facebook page and everything else I put out there are metaphors for the frequency I choose to put out into the field. We always have a choice of how we interact with the world. My music and every broadcast I put out there is an opportunity to be louder with the love.
The frequencies I choose to put into the field are like planting crystals, little tiny rainbow crystals. And you hit them with enough light or sound, and they’re going to explode into all these beautiful fractions of light that just get bigger and synergistic and grow… My intention is to create beauty on the planet because ultimately that’s the infrastructure foundation we need when this system we’re in really does shatter because it’s getting really close to doing that.
The collaborative consciousness thing… That came from an old music partner and I. When we would get together and play, it would be magic and synergsystic and way greater than each of us alone… I realized the cosmic giggle is that one sound; its that note of pure laughter of love that happens when all this divisiveness falls away. One of the things that I have realized in looking back at the work that I do in my life, a lot of my awakening came through a book called The Artists Way by Julia Cameron… I read it, did it, and then took the class, because anything I teach I learn better. The belief I grew up with was I didn’t think I had a creative bone in my body. My work is about activating creativity in people or helping them remove the blocks to why we think we can’t do it the way we want to. So the collaborative consciousness, that’s what we’re doing, when we come together in sacred circles. We are collaborating on a new consciousness on the planet, and we may not be really loud about it. It’s a lot of what I see as a personality in Joshua Tree and the people that I know there… some of the most incredibly artistic people live there and you guys tend to come together in circles and that’s what was in that room. So I come in with the bowls and go 'activate, activate, activate... great, now go out and do your magic'. And having Brenda in that room, who has been with me since I first started doing the bowls, we were up on that mountain together doing all kinds of crazy stuff even before the bowls…. And to see her come together in that circle and deepen in a different way, that was really special.
What is it about JT that draws creative people?
What I’ve seen in knowing California the way I do, because I lived in Idyllwild for 10 years and at the time when I was there, Idyllwild was the place that all the creatives came to… 22 years ago. It was the same kind of really sacred circles of artistic people and musicians. The first black cowboy in the movies, Herb Jeffries, was up on the mountain. He moved up from LA and was a friend of a friend of mine; they were all big Self Realization Fellowship circle people. He moved onto the mountain and basically became the spiritual director of the mountain, because he could sit there and look at everything we were all doing and say “Do you realize how incredibly creative you all are, do you see how sacred this place is?” He had that perspective. He was the only one I knew who could shake his finger at me and I wouldn’t hit him. He was the one that forced me off the mountain because people needed me out in the world… What I saw in Idyllwild after I moved out and after he died and times changed... People left the mountain, like Brenda, and some stayed, and a lot of LA moved up there. That Hollywood glitz moved onto the mountain and it seemed like a lot of those people were moving off the mountain into Joshua Tree.
How do you think we can preserve the creative culture of JT while allowing others to come experience this medicine?
What I see is a lot of the old school grumping about it and the new school... There was a lot of divisive grumpiness, which seems to be the easier way to do things. And unfortunately when you get the glitz of Hollywood moving in to a new location, they often think they are the end all be all who know how to do things better than the local hicks that live there, which is complete horse shit. So there is a need to create collaborative sacred circles to bring them into the conversation. Rather than complain about the fact they’re there, honor the fact that you all can work together because there is something about JT that’s calling you all in that’s beautiful and needs to be honored. So its an assertiveness by those of you that have been there as its quiet and growing, for you to be in an assertive place of 'No, we’re not the local hicks. No, we came here because we love the place too and this is what we see'.
Jodi Roberts is a HeartMath Certified Coach offering the Personal Resilience Program to individuals and small groups. She is an anthropologist trained in cross-cultural nature-based ceremony and healing, spiritual counseling, action method psychodrama, inner child work, shadow transformation, Zen meditation and Tibetan sound healing and Holographic Sound Healing. She has 29 years of experience in mindfulness and meditation techniques for stress reduction, reality creation, transformational energy work, shamanic healing and sound healing. She was the first sound healing/meditation specialist for the military at Ft. Hood Army Warrior Combat Stress RESET Program in Killeen TX.
Jodi visited Joshua Tree in May to attend Contact in the Desert at the Institute of Mentalphysics with Chickasaw as her home base. She gave a beautiful comminity sound ceremony at Chickasaw.